Sunday, October 19, 2008

Long Response to Email

This is my response to an email that was forwarded to me.  (See below the line for the original message)


Sound's cool, but isn't true. 
http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/k/koran-war.htm
http://www.snopes.com/politics/war/quran911.asp
*Stands up on soapbox*
Quran 9:11 is

009.011
YUSUFALI: But (even so), if they repent, establish regular prayers, and practise regular charity,- they are your brethren in Faith: (thus) do We explain the Signs in detail, for those who understand.
PICKTHAL: But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then are they your brethren in religion. We detail Our revelations for a people who have knowledge.
SHAKIR: But if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, they are your brethren in faith; and We make the communications clear for a people who know.
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/009.qmt.html

So there is nothing close to a war in Iraq.  But then, I wouldn't expect the Quran to have any true prophecies in it. But there is something close in Micah, just after the verse often quoted around Christmas (Micah 5:2).

5 And he will be their peace.

    When the Assyrian invades our land
       and marches through our fortresses,
       we will raise against him seven shepherds,
       even eight leaders of men.
6 They will rule [e] the land of Assyria with the sword,
       the land of Nimrod with drawn sword. [f]
       He will deliver us from the Assyrian
       when he invades our land
       and marches into our borders.

7 The remnant of Jacob will be
       in the midst of many peoples
       like dew from the LORD,
       like showers on the grass,
       which do not wait for man
       or linger for mankind.

8 The remnant of Jacob will be among the nations,
       in the midst of many peoples,
       like a lion among the beasts of the forest,
       like a young lion among flocks of sheep,
       which mauls and mangles as it goes,
       and no one can rescue.

Micah 5:5-8

While Matthew Henry clearly had more study time in the Bible and is much more learned than I, I wonder if he may be incorrect.  
In his commentary on this chapter, he states that the Assyrian referenced in Micah 5 is Sennacherib whose assault on Judah is found in Isaiah 36-37. ; But because Isaiah 37:36-38  ends with Sennacherib's son ruling instead of 8 leaders of men, I find that interpretation to be somewhat lacking.

I wonder (and ask for input) on how much of a stretch it is for Micah to refer more to our modern day events.

In Micah 5:5
"we will raise against him seven shepherds,
       even eight leaders of men."

The leaders are clearly seven/eight humans ("leaders of men") that the humans ("we") created.  But while "they" will rule Assyria (verse 6), it is "He" - Jesus (from verses 2-4) who will deliver not the "they" leaders.
I carefully propose that the seven/eight might be the Leaders of G7/G8.

G8
"Each calendar year, the responsibility of hosting the G8 rotates through the member states in the following order: France, United States, United Kingdom, Russia, Germany, Japan, Italy and Canada"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G8

G8 and Iraq
"Iraq: The G-8 Leaders welcomed the unanimous approval of U.N. Security Council Resolution 1546, and noted the importance of the Multinational Force for Iraq succeeding in it mission. The G-8 Leaders pledged to:
Stand together united in their support for the Iraqi people and the new Iraqi Interim Government;
Provide support for elections for the Transitional National Assembly no later than January 2005;
Meet before the next donors conference to identify how each of the G-8 countries can contribute to reconstruction; and
Work together to achieve debt reduction for Iraq in 2004. "
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2004/06/20040609-50.html

Authority to rule Iraq

"9. Notes that the presence of the multinational force in Iraq is at the request of the incoming Interim Government of Iraq and therefore reaffirms the authorization for the multinational force under unified command established under resolution 1511 (2003), having regard to the letters annexed to this resolution;

10. Decides that the multinational force shall have the authority to take all necessary measures to contribute to the maintenance of security and stability in Iraq in accordance with the letters annexed to this resolution expressing, inter alia, the Iraqi request for the continued presence of the multinational force and setting out its tasks, including by preventing and deterring terrorism, so that, inter alia, the United Nations can fulfil its role in assisting the Iraqi people as outlined in paragraph seven above and the Iraqi people can implement freely and without intimidation the
timetable and programme for the political process and benefit from reconstruction and rehabilitation activities;"
http://daccessdds.un.org/doc/UNDOC/GEN/N04/381/16/PDF/N0438116.pdf?OpenElement

 

Again, it might be too big of a stretch to see Micah 5 as showing the USA + others in Iraq.  But while God does use humans (good and bad) to do His will, it is not on the strength of humans that we are delivered.  Whether from attack/destruction in war (GWOT/OEF/OIF) or financial (world leaders meeting) http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081018/ap_on_bi_ge/meltdown_bush, God is still the one who rules despite what others may do.

10 "In that day," declares the LORD,
       "I will destroy your horses from among you
       and demolish your chariots.
11 I will destroy the cities of your land
       and tear down all your strongholds.
12 I will destroy your witchcraft
       and you will no longer cast spells.
13 I will destroy your carved images
       and your sacred stones from among you;
       you will no longer bow down
       to the work of your hands.
14 I will uproot from among you your Asherah poles [c]
       and demolish your cities.
15 I will take vengeance in anger and wrath
       upon the nations that have not obeyed me."
Micah 5:10-15


*Steps off soapbox*
Have a great day!
-Mac

 

Original email received:


IT'LL GIVE YOU GOOSEBUMPS!!!
Read down to the very bottom highlighted in green, IT'LL GIVE YOU GOOSEBUMPS!!!
You don't want to miss this! ((*_*) )
VERY INTERESTING-
1. The Garden of Eden was in Iraq
2. Mesopotamia, which is now Iraq, was the cradle of civilization!
3. Noah built the ark in Iraq
4. The Tower of Babel was in Iraq
5. Abraham was from Ur, which is in Southern Iraq !
6. Isaac's wife Rebekah is from Nahor, which is in Iraq !
7. Jacob met Rachel in Iraq
8. Jonah preached in Nineveh - which is in Iraq
9. Assyria, which is in Iraq, conquered the ten tribes of Israel
10. Amos cried out in Iraq !
11 Babylon , which is in Iraq , destroyed Jerusalem
12. Daniel was in the lion's den in Iraq !
13. The three Hebrew children were in the fire in Iraq (Jesus had been in Iraq also as the fourth person in the Fiery Furnace!)
14. Belshazzar, the King of Babylon saw the 'writing on the wall' in Iraq
15. Nebuchadnezzar, King of Babylon, carried the Jews captive into Iraq
16. Ezekiel preached in Iraq .
17. The wise men were from Iraq
18. Peter preached in Iraq
19. The 'Empire of Man' described in Revelation is called Babylon , which was a city in Iraq !
And you have probably seen this one: Israel is the nation most often mentioned in the Bible.


But do you know which nation is second?
It is Iraq !
However, that is not the name that is used in the Bible
The names used in the Bible are Babylon , Land of Shinar , and Mesopotamia . The word Mesopotamia means between the two rivers, more exactly between the Tigris
And Euphrates Rivers ..
The name Iraq , means country with deep roots.
Indeed Iraq is a country with deep roots and is a very significant country in the Bible.
No other nation, except Israel , has more history and prophecy associated
With it than Iraq
And also, This is something to think about: Since America is typically represented by an eagle.
Saddam should have read up on his Muslim passages ...
The following verse is from the Koran, (the Islamic Bible)


Koran ( 9:11 ) - For it is written that a son of Arabia would awaken a fearsome Eagle. The wrath of the Eagle would be felt throughout the lands of Allah and lo, while some of the people trembled in despair still more rejoiced; for the wrath of the Eagle cleansed the lands of Allah;


And there was peace.
(Note the verse number!) Hmmmmmmm?!
I BETTER NOT HEAR OF ANYONE BREAKING THIS ONE OR SEE IT DELETED.
This is a ribbon for soldiers fighting in Iraq .
Pass it on to everyone and pray.
Something good will happen to you tonight at 11:11 PM
This is not a joke
Someone will either call you or will talk to you online and say that they love you.
Do not break this chain.
Send this to 13 people in
The next 15 minutes.
Go

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